
Can we just be honest? Our economy is tanking and we are in a recession. I don't know why the politicians won't admit it. Come on federal reserve be honest. There are too many economic indicators fall downward for us NOT to be in a recession.
From the today's New York Times:
NEW YORK (AP) -- Wall Street pulled back Tuesday as the price of oil approached $120 a barrel and a rush of quarterly results from bellwethers like AT&T Corp., DuPont and McDonald's Corp. failed to impress investors. The Dow Jones industrials shed more than 100 points.Oil that rose to a record $119.74 on the New York Mercantile Exchange unnerved a market already uneasy about earnings. AT&T's results met Wall Street's forecast while McDonald's and DuPont reported stronger-than-expected numbers. But DuPont said a U.S. slowdown will offset growth abroad and McDonald's said an important metric of its sales showed a decline for March. All three companies are among the 30 stocks that make up the Dow Jones industrial average.
The comments gave trading a cautious tone. With hundreds of companies still to report results, investors are anxious over what the figures might say about the prospects for the economy.
''It takes a while for the economy's situation to work its way down to the companies,'' said Alexander Paris, economist and market analyst for Chicago-based Barrington Research. ''What's going on is earnings are reflecting the reality of a slowing economy, and that should go on until the second half of the year.''
Fellas, thoughts about our unnamed recession?
Posted by anthony at April 22, 2008 12:59 PM | TrackBackI guess we're behind the curve here in Chatty, as there seems to be enough work to go around at the moment.
Posted by: bobw at April 22, 2008 02:13 PMFunny. I feel just the opposite.
Posted by: davidm. at April 22, 2008 02:50 PMI guess my circles are rather small. I can think of maybe 2 people I know of looking for work right now, and one just found a good job.
Posted by: bobw at April 22, 2008 03:04 PMA recession? Are you reading Gary North?
The Fed would have to start deflating, or severely limit inflation to really prompt a recession.
What we have is: uncertainty.
Why? Too much fraud by financial institutions.
The solution: time, and open markets.
But recession? If so, it is very very mild.
Nathan
Gary North? Is he still alive?
Posted by: Anthony at April 22, 2008 06:28 PMI notice that gas prices have gone up a lot in the past few weeks, but I don't know if that's tied to the so-called recession. But the cost of my rent went down, and I got two job offers in the same week. If this is what a recession is like, then I say bring it on. Seriously, though, I don't if I actually notice an economic downturn at all, except for lots of for sale signs on houses. But there's "now hiring" signs everywhere.
Posted by: Jake Belder at April 22, 2008 06:32 PMYou cannot an economy is in recession until is shows negative growth for two quarters. Slowing growth is not a recession.
Posted by: dramaturge at April 22, 2008 08:39 PMFrom the Economist, April 10th:
The official judges of American downturns—a group of academics at the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER)—define a recession as “a significant decline in economic activity spread across the economy, lasting more than a few months, normally visible in real GDP, real income, employment, industrial production and wholesale-retail sales.” (Contrary to popular belief, recession does not require two consecutive quarters of falling output.) Though the NBER's wonks will not pronounce for many months, their criteria look increasingly likely to be met.
Posted by: Guy Incognito at April 22, 2008 11:27 PMGary North. Alive. Lew Rockwell's site.
Okay, so *I've* been reading North...
But I don't think we are in a recession. And neither do most of the econ professors at NC State, whom I just had dinner with discussing the subject.
Or maybe they are just playing semantics. Because if there is a recession there is usually just one response: The Fed should Do Something.
The danger there is that usually when the Fed or the Gov't tries to do something for us, they usually end up doing it to us.
So, many economists are saying there is a recession so the Fed will do something (which they will then write about and get published).
Other (good) economists might be saying there isn't so that the Fed and the three people running for president don't try to do something.
In the meantime, what do you hear about the Hauerwas Mafia in Emergent?
Posted by: jurisnaturalist at April 23, 2008 12:25 AMI don't know about the technical aspects, but I know that gas is breaking our checking account, groceries have gone WAY up, and Panera is actually advertising/apologizing for rising menu prices due to the rising price of wheat. We're definitely tightening our belts.
Posted by: Brad at April 23, 2008 12:04 PMYup, North is alive, and writing at least one column per week for LewRockwell. He also has an almost daily newsletter, I believe.
The trouble with saying "we're in a recession" is the definition; isn't it something like two or three quarters of negative economic growth? By the time you know for sure you're in one, it's often half over.
At least unless the Fed decides to "help" with inflationary monetary policy, bailing out the perps who issued bad loans and penalizing the rest of us with good credit in the process.
Posted by: Bike Bubba at April 25, 2008 02:35 PMOh, and Q1 stats are....up in terms of economic growth. Like it or not, we are not technically in a recession. Tough times for a lot of homeowners with a lot of debt, but not a recession yet. Can't be proven until early 2009.
Posted by: Bike Bubba at April 30, 2008 12:12 PM