February 22, 2008

Boooooooooooo, Clinton

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From the Atlanta-Journal Consitution

Hillary Rodham Clinton accused presidential rival Barack Obama of political plagiarism Thursday night, but drew boos from a Democratic debate audience when she ridiculed him as the candidate of "change you can Xerox."

Obama dismissed the charge out of hand, then turned the jeers to applause when he countered, "What we shouldn't be doing is tearing each other down, we should be lifting the country up."

The exchange marked an unusually pointed moment in an otherwise civil encounter in the days before March 4 primaries in Texas and Ohio -- contests that even some of Clinton's supporters say she must win to sustain her campaign for the White House.

The former first lady has lost 11 straight primaries and caucuses, and trails her rival in convention delegates. Obama has won a pair of big union endorsements in the past two days.

The audience should have booed Clinton. Since it seems that fewer and fewer Democrats want her to represent their party against McCain, she's just trying to tear the dude down. How pathetic is that?

Texas Democrats, do the right thing (haha). Clinton's lost 11 in a row and Texas and Ohio can make it 12 and 13.

COME ON TEXAS!!!!!!!!!!

If Clinton wins the nomination because of "superdelegates" there may be riots.

Fellas, thoughts?

Posted by anthony at February 22, 2008 07:54 AM | TrackBack
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I would love the 'superdelegates giving Clinton the win! After all the bitching and moaning from the Democrats after the last presidential election, it would be great for one Dem to win the popular vote and another to win the nomination.

Posted by: Paul at February 22, 2008 09:20 AM

I would be VERY hesitant in supporting Clinton if she magically *won* the nomination. She disgusts me. But, because the idea of another 4 years of Republican rule is even more disturbing, I would vote for her in November. But, I certainly wouldn't be as engaged in the process as I normally am.

Posted by: Tam at February 22, 2008 09:56 AM

Paul, haha, never thought about it that way before.

Posted by: Anthony at February 22, 2008 11:58 AM

are you promoting a political riot on your blog? just sayin man. wow.

Posted by: quikstein at February 22, 2008 02:23 PM

Well, Obama has said a few things that obviously come from Deval Patrick. Are we so Balkanized in our opinions that we cannot admit the truth, even if it surprisingly comes from a Clinton?

Sorry, but at some point, Obama is going to have to face serious scrutiny of his positions, which make Teddy Kennedy look like a conservative at times.

Posted by: Bike Bubba at February 22, 2008 06:02 PM

Bike Bubba:

In regards to the Deval Patrick comments: Why is this such a big deal for you? Obama and Patrick are reportedly good friends and had reportedly discussed ahead of time the very idea of using this same line of rhetoric to counter the same arguments leveled against Patrick 2 years earlier.

Positions are another story, but I don't see the connection between this cheap shot and his positions. What I see is a desperate swipe by Clinton as she staggers before the impending knock-out. It seems on par with the curious NYT attack on McCain earlier this week.

Posted by: Ryan K at February 22, 2008 08:21 PM

I knew my history lessons on Andrew Jackson had left an impression when one of my 6th graders walked in today and said, "Well, Hillary's started the mudslinging..."

Posted by: dramaturge at February 22, 2008 11:03 PM

Even a broken clock is right 2x/day.
I think Hillary is right here. If he just shared ideas with Patrick, fine. But it is word for word.
For him to represent change, shouldn't he be a bit more original? And people like MLK went beyond mere words to spell out what they wanted and how they thought it could happen. Haven't heard Obama do that. Is it like John Kerry's plan?

Posted by: cavman at February 23, 2008 06:00 PM

Plagiarism is a big deal, Ryan. If you take ideas without giving proper credit, you are a thief. Too boo someone who points this out, as the audience regrettably did, and to answer this with "don't be divisive," as Obama regrettably did, shows a basic lack of understanding of the power and importance of ideas.

Which might explain why he's campaigning on "change", but without explaining what changes he's going to make. Here's a hint; his Senate voting record places him to the left of Senator Kennedy.

Posted by: Bike Bubba at February 25, 2008 01:07 PM

So it is your opinion that every politician in all of their stump speeches would cite each of their speech writers giving them credit for the portions of the speech the speech writer and not the candidate had written. But they don't do this, because the writers provide the speech material without the requirement that it be cited to use, and because this is not the way that political speeches tend to work.

This would seem to be a similar mode or process to Obama calling up Patrick and discussing with him how he was going to respond to this attack, and Patrick suggesting that he use the same response Patrick had himself used in the past.

Plagiarism is important, it is a big deal. But this just doesn't quite seem analogous to turning in a research paper you found on the internet or publishing original ideas from another author as if they were your own.

You've made it apparent in both of your posts that your biggest concern is less the plagiarism and more the ideas of the man himself. That is a fair concern. It seems like a stretch however to say that his true character is revealed and defined by this "plagiarism" incident.

He may be a bona-fide left wing socialist monster whom we should fear running this country, but if that is the case then it would just be good news for McCain when the truth comes out in the long time left before the election.

Posted by: Ryan K at February 25, 2008 08:12 PM

Ryan, exactly what is socialism but a flat out rejection of the principle "Thou shalt not steal"?

And what is plagiarism but the same?

This isn't just an academic issue. It's about basic character.

Posted by: Bike Bubba at February 26, 2008 01:16 PM

Socialism in all forms or socialism in its extreme form (communism)?

If it's all forms of socialism, doesn't that mean that taxation is stealing? I've heard that argument before but it doesn't fly. Can we have a definition of terms here please?

Posted by: Jeff Kerr at February 27, 2008 08:31 AM
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