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Good point Anthony. Last summer there was a controversy in Memphis when Al Sharpton went there demanding Memphians rename some Confedrate parks in the downtown area that were named after some historical figures from the south.

There was strong racial soildarity against Mr. Sharpton locally. Many blacks and whites came out to oppose his demands that they rename their Confederate Parks. The people of Memphis apprently see these parks for what they are, a piece of history and to rename them denies the reality of truth in regard to that history. Even the mayor, who is black said they weren't about to change anything about the parks. For those not from the South it is hard for them to understand the causes and reasons blacks and whites can come together for common purposes. It would do well if more people did study Southern history, it might change their opinion.

lynchings are the natural result if the Kinist have influence. After Emmett Till, Moores Ford, etc should bring about repentance not kinism.

lynchings are the natural result if the Kinist have influence. After Emmett Till, Moores Ford, etc should bring about repentance not kinism.

Yeah, David, Memphis is an interesting place. . .Just curious, do you know if all the kinists go to the same churches in the Memphis, TN area?

What church are you referring to, Anthony? I grew up in Bartlett and have family there now, some of whom are beginning to visit churches.

Anthony,

I'm not sure where kinists all go to church. I believe there are kinists all over the country in different churches, denominations, etc. Some pastors might be kinists, but I'm not sure. Are you interested in learning more about Kinism?

David,
I will bite. You seem at least to be a soft-spoken proponent of kinism, and do not seem prone to sound bites, which makes for better discussion.
I am not a kinist, and I cannot imagine that I will ever adopt a view like this. However, if you would post a serious comment on my blog at mello.chattablogs.com presenting the basis for your views, I would enjoy reading and thinking about it, and perhaps responding.

"It would do well if more people did study Southern history, it might change their opinion."

No, David, it wouldn't change their opinions one iota. They've already made up their minds, and the facts are irrelevant.

Not enough, Anfernee. Not by a long shot.

Winston (or whatever your name is) have the pastor contact me about it if he sees a problem.

Remove ALL information regarding locations.

The pastor doesn't have to contact you.

You've endangered myself, you've endangered David, you've endangered our families, you've endangered at least one church. You have made us physically accessible to people who might be possessed of less than stable temperaments and a desire to do harm, like those of your ilk at Covenant College did to Harry Seabrook. What they did, and what you have done, is despicable. You compare us to the Klan and you've tried to link us to lynching, but then you make us vulnerable to the same sorts physical attack. You hypocrite!

Debate is debate, however harsh it might be. But violating someone's privacy and security, and placing someone in physical danger, especially their families, because you disagree with them, that just crosses a line.

Remove ALL information about locations. That is the LEAST acceptable thing to for you to do.

Ah, Winston firstly, "Winston Smith" is not your real name so no really knows who you are." Second, "David" has said nothing about his endangerment.

Third, if the pastor of the "one church" feels endangered I'd be more than happy to remove whatever he feels is putting that "one church" in danger after speaking with him.

Lastly, what specific location are you referring to that needs to be removed?

Anthony,

I feel very threatened by the information you've posted. Like Winstom said, anyone who would do me or my family harm now has access to the information they need. Your responsible for this. I used my name assuming that our conversation/debate would stay some-what civil (not revealing information not pertaining directly to the topic i.e. personal information)

But rather than enter into a real dialouge about the issue, you've released very personal information about me, my friends, my family and my church.

David

Anthony,

I might just add, I am an officer in "said" church. They have not found anything I've said or done to be a censurable matter. But my convictions are mine and don't necassarily reflect that of the church as a whole. So for you to post information about the church, is again very inappropriate.

David

Bradley,
Are you just another race pimp after all? Linking Christian Kinists to unprovoked and non-defensive violence would be like someone associating you directly with the cannibals in Old Africa. Both totally ridiculous and inappropriate.

I know of not one single kinist who would condone any violence not taken up in the name of self-defense, including but not limited to, our current imperial incursion into Iraq. As a rule, myself and every one of them that I have met would condemn any action taken by a lawless mob.

What your postings will do is get some unstable person with violent tendencies to do something physical. I still haven't decided if you know that and are just that evil or if you are actually too dense to have thought ahead that far. You are setting up a situation where blood could be in your hands, and let me tell you, regret like that can be heavy, heavy burden to carry.

It is hard to believe that you could have graduated from any kind of seminary and not learned anything about bearing false witness. Your tactics are those of a wannabe terrorist.

It is well past time for you to grow up and repent, lest you prove to the world that those who call the negroes a race of children were right all along. You've been doing a pretty damn good job of it so far.

How is "Memphis" endangering? It was James Edwards who ran for political office in "Bartlett".

And "The Polictical Cesspool" refers to itself as being in Memphis with Winston's name on the website. It doesn't take much to find you guys. It's easy.

David I had no idea that you even attended "said" church (that was never mentioned) and now you have revealed that you not only are at the church but are, in fact, an officer. But it's good to know that your convictions do not represent that of the church as a whole.

I actually didn't know as much about this "church" as you guys thought. Your reactions have completely filled in all the details. In your zeal you exposed yourselves.

But with the politicalcesspool.org, did you guys really believe that could remain anonymous and unknown. . .

"David" and "Winston", I'm surprised that people who claim to feel so strongly about their beliefs would be such pansies when it comes to being personally identified with said beliefs. That's not the best way to stick up for what you believe in or to lead by example. But why would I expect anything more from a bunch of cowardly, inbred pantywaists who have spent generations hiding their idenities? As you have demonstrated here, as soon as anyone even threatens to pull the masks away from your pasty pink pates, you squeal and cry like bunch of little girls. Pathetic.

Anthony,

Your the one posting the city and street where (your words) "all the kinists go to church". And you do that after comparing kinists to the KKK and murders. You are attempting to incite a violent reaction in your readers.

It is interesting that you admitted to "not knowing the details of kinism" in your email to me a few days ago, and yet here you are comparing them with the KKK and white supremacy.

I posted a comment here (on topic), and your reply was totally off the issue asking about kinist, and where in Memphis they went to church.

Again rather than entering into a Christian discussion about the topic YOU posted, you resorted to posting personal information about people you don't even know.

So, yes I feel endangered by your words. I'd suggest deleting this thread all-together for our safety and your conscience, if you have one.

David

Anfernee,
REMOVE ALL REFERENCES TO LOCATIONS, ANFERNEE.

No, Anfernee - YOU have done the exposing. YOU posted the location, city and street. YOU are responsible for putting people in danger. YOU published information that should NEVER have been published. No one else posted that city and street - YOU did. In other words, Anfernee, "THOU ART THE MAN." You are guilty, guilty, guilty. Trying to pass the blame didn't work for Adam; it didn't work for Eve; it won't work for you. Don't try to blame David or anyone else, because the words will always come back to YOU - THOU ART THE MAN.

My name being on The Political Cesspool is not the same thing as the location of my chruch being on The Political Cesspool. There's a reason I don't post such information on the internet - safety. It's unsafe to publish such information, and you know it. And knowing it is unsafe, you published it anyway. Besides, you didn't get the location of that church from The Political Cesspool. You didn't get it from David. Someone else gave it to you. We're involved in debate and argument, and up til now it's been simply harsh. YOU have now made it vicious. Why would you 1) want to know the location of your opponents, and 2) publish it? What was your purpose in posting that information?

I talked with your boss yesterday, and he very proudly announced to me that with the information YOU provided, he was able find out precisely which church you mentioned. If he can do so (and only he and God know why he would want to find out which church it is), then so can one of your more deluded followers.

That you would endanger people as you have makes you a terrorist. You have decided to force yourself into the lives of people in that church who couldn't care less about our fights, and they could live the rest of their lives perfectly happy with never having known that you even exist. Oh, sure, there's no way you would ever carry out some act of violence. You're too much a coward for that (the proof is in what you have done). You know full well that you don't have to; someone else might be willing to do it for you. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. We simply don't know, do we? And because we don't know, from now on, every time that church meets, they have to be aware that one of your followers may try to either exact revenge or disrupt their worship. People like you have done it before, whereas NO KINIST has ever done that sort of thing. In the typical way of the hypocrite, you are guilty of your own accusation. You and your followers are more like the Klan than we will ever be. You are, in fact, a terrorist, threatening your ideological opponents, and their friends and families, with physical harm. There's no other honest way to see it. If anything does happen to those innocent people, their blood will be all over your hands.

This will be the second time I ask you to take down ALL references to location. Do it.

"But why would I expect anything more from a bunch of cowardly, inbred pantywaists who have spent generations hiding their idenities?"

I notice you're not using your real name. Another hypocrite. Anfernee has taught you well.

I'll say one thing for kinists: they seem to surf the web in packs and materialize —at the drop of a hat, mind you— on sites wherever and whenever kinism is mentioned. It defies logic, and I must say it's pretty amazing.

Anfernee,
The radio station from which we broadcast The Poltical Cesspool got a death threat today. We had to cancel our show. You wouldn't know anything about that, would you?

Anthony,

Keep up the good work. PLEASE DONT LET THESE SCUMBAGS INTIMIDATE YOU. Racism among guys claiming to be Christians is still a major problem, especially in the American South. Most Christian seem to be ignoring them or pretending they don't exist. You seem to be the only one who cares. We need to find out exactly who these people are and where they go to church. So other non-racist members can approach them in the spirit of Luke 17 and 1 Corinthians 5. Hopefully, they will see how pathetic their "biblical" arguments for kinism are once they are no longer hiding behind computer screens.

Winston,

Obviously if someone gave you a death threat, he couldn't have acting in accordance with Christ. But througout history, God has used evil people to fulfill his purposes and by not allowing that crap to reach the airwaves and infect the minds of the many vulnerable ultra-bored young men in the country, I'm sure it was for the best.

I Hope "The Politcal Cesspoll" is never broadcast again.

Hey, Big Drew thanks for the support. I actually don't care about their radio program. Let it air, I say. They have a first amendment right to do so. . .if though they say many things I disagree with I would rather have a republic where people are free to say whatever they want than a socialistic regime where government or a few elites decide what is "acceptable" speech. . .it's messy that way but it's a good consequence of our constitution. The Kinist have a right to have a radio program just as the Nation of Islam does. . .

No worries, I'm not intimidated by them I feel sorry for them however and pray for their healing.

"Obviously if someone gave you a death threat, he couldn't have acting in accordance with Christ. But througout history, God has used evil people to fulfill his purposes. . ."

My gosh, Drew, how correct you are! They weren't acting in accordance with Christ. They were acting in accordance with Anfernee. That being true, then your second sentence is profound - God did indeed use an evil person. You've made two true statements. I salute you!

How do you like that, Anfernee? Drew agrees with me that you're evil! Actually, you're more than evil; you're a reprobate, but there isn't much difference between "evil" and "reprobate".

By the way, we've never tried to intimidate Anfernee. He's one of our trophys! He's our poster boys! The more he and his physical, spiritual, and mental teen-aged followers say and write, the more support we get. And my-oh-my, how he improves our Google rating!

The only person trying to intimidate anyone is Anfernee, who posts information on where to find his ideological opponents so that unstable kids like you, Drew, can show up on our door steps, not in the spirit of Luke 17 and 1 Corinthians 5, but in the spirit of Klebold, Harris, and Bin Laden, and harm our families. Truly shameful and disgusting. It's domestic terrorism, just like the Klan would do.

Interesting, Kinists can display photos of interacial couples & call them race traitors. Make references like Olasky the Jew or use mocking names like Anfernee & call him the affirmative action Negro. These are just a few examples. But they act like their statements have no consequences on their unstable followers. Are kinists identical to the KLan? No, but your ideas have consequences that could easily lead to evil acts such as lynchings.

RGL,
Yeah, I know what you mean about ideas having an effect on people. As soon as your reprobate hero posted information about my radio show, we got a death threat. And now, Drew says, "We need to find out exactly who these people are and where they go to church." And when your ilk at Coven College posted Harry Seabrook's address and phone number and a picture of his home, they made harassing and threatening phone calls to Harry's home, they drove by his home and took pictures and shouted obsceneties and threats at his wife and children, and they said they were going burn down his house. And there was that time that Kinist guy. . .he, uh. . .well, he went to, uh, someplace. . .(now, where did he go?). . .and he, uh,. . .he did something (what was that?). . .oh, and there was that other time that Kinist guy went to that place and he, uh,. . .well, you know what I mean. . .he did that thing. . .yeah, those were some bad things those Kinist guys did.

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wow what persecution you're facing. If it's that serious then call the police & stop whining.

Elwood,
This is a banner day! Quite some time ago we established a pool at Little Geneva to see how long it would take for someone to come up with "KKKinism". My gosh, it took a LONG time, but, by cracky, you did it! Now, I'll go see who won! Thanks! We've been waiting for this day for at least a couple of years!

not a hard connection to make. both come from the same branch of heresy.

Yup. It's a very easy connection to make, if you're a reprobate.

1Jn2:9Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness

Three lynchings in the 1890's and, some fellow asassinating MLK,jr., 6 decades does not tell one anything about the racial views of Memphis folk, or it horrible place. There are more murders than that in Memphis each year, many of them as heinous as lynchings (or more so.) Also, cities don't murder anyone and, what a lynch mob did in the 1890's has not bearing on anyone today, unless they plan to do the same thing.

Any murder is horrible but lynchings were different as lynchings were a group action & often swept under & overlooked. They also wern't confined to the 1890s(although the vast majority prob took place b/n 1890-1920). The Moore's Ford lynchings took place in 46 & Emmett Till in 53. No cities don't murder but the citzens are often guilty when they allowed lynchings to take place & did not work to see the guilty parties brought to justice. No one is saying that contemporary kinists are presently calling for lynchings or that the kinist are carbon copies of the KLan but the heresy of kinism could lead to a justification for evil acts like forced segregation or deportations. (I use heresy to point out faulty doctrine not to say that they are apostate.)The Klan also calls itself a Christian organization & during the 20's when it reached it's greatest popularity there were a number of ministers involved.

According to the Archives at Tuskegee Institute, here are the reasons for lynchings in Southern states from 1868 to 1962. Note that these are for both blacks and, white victims.

Homicides 1,937 or 40.84%
Felonious Assault 205 or 4.32%
Rape 912 or 19.22%
Attempted Rape 288 or 6.07%
Robbery and Theft 232 or 4.89%
Insult to White Person 85 or 1.79%
All Other Causes 1,084 or 22.85%
Total 4,743 100.00

Here are the lynchings by state from 1868 to 1962 from the same acrchives:

The first number is for black victims, the second is for white victims, and the last is the total.

Alabama 48 299 347
Arizona 31 0 31
Arkansas 58 226 284
California 41 2 43
Colorado 65 3 68
Delaware 0 1 1
Florida 25 257 282
Georgia 39 492 531
Idaho 20 0 20
Illinois 15 19 34
Indiana 33 14 47
Iowa 17 2 19
Kansas 35 19 54
Kentucky 63 142 205
Louisiana 56 335 391
Maine 1 0 1
Maryland 2 27 29
Michigan 7 1 8
Minnesota 5 4 9
Mississippi 42 539 581
Missouri 53 69 122
Montana 82 2 84
Nebraska 52 5 57
Nevada 6 0 6
New Jersey 1 1 2
New Mexico 33 3 36
New York 1 1 2
North Carolina 15 86 101
North Dakota 13 3 16
Ohio 10 16 26
Oklahoma 82 40 122
Oregon 20 1 21
Pennsylvania 2 6 8
South Carolina 4 156 160
South Dakota 27 0 27
Tennessee 47 204 251
Texas 141 352 493
Utah 6 2 8
Vermont 1 0 1
Virginia 17 83 100
Washington 25 1 26
West Virginia 20 28 48
Wisconsin 6 0 6
Wyoming 30 5 35

Total 1,297 3,446 4,743

your point?

My point was for information. Original sources are the best evidence when studying history.

yes original sources are best. This evidence seems to point that lynchings were a form of mob rule used primarily to terrorize & control blacks.

Crusade Against Lynching

Established by the NAACP in 1916 to develop an effective program to stamp out lynching, the Anti-lynching Committee developed legislative and public awareness campaigns. In 1919 the NAACP published Thirty Years of Lynching in the United States, 1889-1918. This report indicated that 3,224 people were lynched in the thirty-year period. Of these, 702 were white and 2,522 black. Among the justifications given for the lynchings were petty offenses such as "using offensive language, refusal to give up land, illicit distilling."

The Committee also compiled lynching statistics in 1921. It took full-page advertisements on November 23, 1922, in The New York Times, The Atlanta Constitution, and several other leading newspapers entitled "The Shame of America," with the subheading "3436 People Lynched 1889 to 1922."

original sources found in the library of congress

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/aaohtml/exhibit/aointro.html

the graph(picture)in the congressional record.

kind of gives another perspective on the lynching numbers and race posted earlier, Although a smaller time span. The library of congress is an excellent unbiased source

whatever source you examine there is no doubt that lynchings brought shame & guilt to both the USA & the South. We can never allow this kind of terror to happen again.

Zrazys,
Are you sure of your numbers? The Tuskegee archives, are they an open access document? Could you post a link? The Library of Congress numbers are significantly different than the ones posted?
best regards

Yes RGL I agree with your comment about Never allowing it to happen again!

Unfortunately, though, I wouldn't put much credence in any statistics about lynching. Statistics are only as accurate as the percentage of reports is accurate--and which blacks were going to report lynchings in an area where lynchings are happening?

Here you go.

http://faculty.berea.edu/browners/chesnutt/classroom/lynchingstat.html

Thanks I see the confusion now. It is the description of whites vs blacks
Total 1,297 3,446 4,743 , That reads 1,297 whites lynched 3,446 blacks
For some reason I read it reversed. Must be my browser. Thanks for the link. An interesting project.

Glen, this is the first time I have agreed with you - it is indeed reversed in Zrazy's post, and is very misleading.

Yep, Zrazys has it totally backwards. . .even on the Tuskegee page 3,446 blacks were lynched compared to 1,297 whites. This is a point that Thomas Sowell reminds us about in his latest book "Black Rednecks and White Liberals"

I hope zrazys would forgive me, I am not in the habit of commenting on comments, but I try to stick to the topic. I do not feel that racial supremicists/hygienist have any place in society. I am usually not so obstinate.